Michael Pence Has so Far Gotten a Total Pass
I think to an extent he benefits from the comparison to Trump-compared with whom anyone appears a statesman. Pence also seems to have the ability to lie credibly, or at least the media has hither found his lies highly believable.
It goes back to that debate he had with Tim Kaine. The media was far more concerned with Kaine interrupting Pence than with Pence’s demonstrable lies. Pence simply badly lied again and again. But the media that cares only about style declared Pence the winner-as it liked his style.
You can lie, but just don’t interrupt Mike Pence.
And you see how Pence continues to get a pass. Shrewdly, he mostly keeps his mouth shut and that does serve him well. The media still finds him highly credible and the Dems have not rained their fire on him-after all, the Dems hope to convince the GOP it’s ok to impeach Trump as they can have Mike Pence who they’d prefer anyway.
This is an interesting question: who would the Dems prefer at the top-Trump or Pence? Arguably Pence could get more done as he knows a lot more about how Washington works-which is bad as the Dems won’t like the things he gets done.
But I think if Pence actually had to campaign at the top of the ticket he’d not be very compelling. He’s been ok for now as he gets to hang back and not say too much. But if the focus were on him, I don’t think he would have much appeal.
In any case, of course, Dems should want Pence over Trump as that would mean Trump were impeached which is a good thing on its own terms. And we saw how after Nixon went down, this led to a GOP bloodbath in the 1974 races and ultimately took down Glenn Ford in 1976.
Ford’s big mistake was pardoning Nixon. Had he not done so would he have won? Maybe Pence would be smarter and repudiate Trump if he were impeached rather than save him a la Ford.
However, all this very well may be, Pence has gotten a pass-for whatever the reason. No way should his popularity be so high.
And he really is a shocking liar. Look at the part he has played in the Mike Flynn case.
Dec. 6: Vice President-elect Mike Pence is asked if Flynn’s son, Michael G. Flynn, has a role with the presidential transition. (The younger Flynn has attracted negative attention for spreading conspiracy theories.) Pence denies that he does.
“Later in the day, after it emerges that the transition team requested security clearance for Flynn’s son, Pence changes his story, saying that the son was helping his father with scheduling. In February, it’s reported that Flynn requested that clearance without telling the transition team.”
Let’s be clear when you talk about ‘transition team’ you mean Mike Flynn who led it. So this is another case of Pence allegedly not being ‘in the loop.’
More Mike Pence dissembling:
Jan. 15: Pence appears on CBS’s “Face the Nation” and is asked about the Flynn conversations, which he characterizes as “a conversation.”
“It was strictly coincidental that they had a conversation,” Pence says. “They did not discuss anything having to do with the United States’ decision to expel diplomats or impose censure against Russia.”
He later adds: “General Flynn has been in touch with diplomatic leaders, security leaders in some 30 countries. That’s exactly what the incoming national security adviser should do. But what I can confirm, having spoken to him about it, is that those conversations that happened to occur around the time that the United States took action to expel diplomats had nothing whatsoever to do with those sanctions.”
Feb. 8: Flynn tells a reporter from The Post that he didn’t discuss sanctions in his conversations with Kislyak. Asked repeatedly, he twice says “no” to the question.
Feb. 9: Flynn’s spokesman walks that back. Flynn “indicated that while he had no recollection of discussing sanctions, he couldn’t be certain that the topic never came up,” he tells The Post.
The narrative that came from all this was: poor Mike Pence who was so wronged by Mike Flynn lying to him.
“Flynn subsequently resigns. In his resignation letter, he writes:
“In the course of my duties as the incoming National Security Advisor, I held numerous phone calls with foreign counterparts, ministers, and ambassadors. These calls were to facilitate a smooth transition and begin to build the necessary relationships between the President, his advisors and foreign leaders. Such calls are standard practice in any transition of this magnitude.”
“Unfortunately, because of the fast pace of events, I inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian Ambassador. I have sincerely apologized to the President and the Vice President, and they have accepted my apology.”
Poor Mike Pence. You know, butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth. Later we learn that Mike Flynn was a foreign agent while he was part of the Trump campaign and later NSC adviser.
How did the transition team not know? And by transition team we mean Mike Pence? Well, that rascally Flynn lied to him again, obviously.
“Trump team may have lied about not vetting Mike Flynn: Report.”
“A new report Friday evening claims the Trump transition team and White House did vet Mike Flynn before serving as national security adviser, contrary to what the Trump administration has said.”
“Sources told NBC News that with Flynn the process was performed “done very casually,” Rachel Maddow announced on her evening MSNBC program. One source said the Trump transition team was even aware of Flynn’s business ties to Turkey.”
Again, Trump transition team=Mike Pence. It should read ‘Mike Pence may have lied about not vetting Mike Flynn.’
But for now, the media continues to treat Pence as a nice boy from Middle America-such a nice boy he doesn’t abide being alone with a woman-who would never tell a lie. It’s this undeserved credibility of Pence that at some point perhaps Democrats ought to address. We can debate when this might be best but surely it must be addressed at some point.
True, Dems want to focus on Trump for now not Pence. But more and more Pence is in the middle of the coverup.
He is far from being ‘out of the loop’ as Bush Sr. claimed regarding Iran Contra and Spiro Agnew probably was regarding Watergate.
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